Copy_Ninja

Apr 28 2012, 06:04 AM

Just because it took a SSJ2 to one shot them, doesn't mean that no one below a SSJ2 could beat them.

I'm pretty sure a fully fit Goku could take them, after all Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo could fight well with them and Goku had a significant lead on them.

I think that Goten or Trunks would be roughly even with the Jrs pre-Rosat but the Jrs larger range of techniques and most probably better fighting skill should see them just about get over the line.

Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri

Apr 28 2012, 06:17 AM

Copy_Ninja

Apr 28 2012, 06:04 AM

Just because it took a SSJ2 to one shot them, doesn't mean that no one below a SSJ2 could beat them.

I'm pretty sure a fully fit Goku could take them, after all Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo could fight well with them and Goku had a significant lead on them.

I think that Goten or Trunks would be roughly even with the Jrs pre-Rosat but the Jrs larger range of techniques and most probably better fighting skill should see them just about get over the line.

That was not what I meant pal.

I never said just because it took SSJ2 to one-shot them, it mean that no one below a SSJ2 could beat them.

A Revived MSSJ/FPSSJ Goku could put an impressive fight, but I doubt Vegeta or Trunks frm Cell Games (both were ASSJ) could, given the strain of the form to simply maintain it, plus the force output, stamina etc. Then again, if it's One vs One, Goku has higher chances of winning. Or else, its hard to say for regardless of how much your raise your stamina for a prolonged fight, it will eventually drain.

I was just doubtful that SSJ Goten or Trunks that had some prob with someone like Android 18, talk about Cell Jr's that league way above her...No offence pal...

Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri

Apr 28 2012, 08:23 AM

Vegeta and Trunks weren't ASSjin's, but SSjin's. And I have Gohan between Goku and Vegeta and Goten was close to him.

MSSjin Goku > Cell Jr. > MSSjin Teen Gohan > SSjin Trunks ~ SSjin Vegeta > SSjin Goten ~ SSjin Trunks.

MSSjin Goku: 1.
Cell Jr: 0.9.
MSSjin Teen Gohan: 0.8.
SSjin Kid Trunks: 0.7.
SSjin Vegeta: 0.7.
SSjin Goten: 0.6.
SSjin Future Trunks: 0.6.
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I have them losing the fight even if Gohan was even with a Cell Jr. or MSSjin Goku. If they were together, I'd be having them taking this with difficulty, but alone they'd get beaten so hard. They'll hardly keep up.

supersaqer

Apr 28 2012, 08:36 AM

Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri

Apr 28 2012, 08:23 AM

Vegeta and Trunks weren't ASSjin's, but SSjin's. And I have Gohan between Goku and Vegeta and Goten was close to him.

MSSjin Goku > Cell Jr. > MSSjin Teen Gohan > SSjin Trunks ~ SSjin Vegeta > SSjin Goten ~ SSjin Trunks.

MSSjin Goku: 1.
Cell Jr: 0.9.
MSSjin Teen Gohan: 0.8.
SSjin Kid Trunks: 0.7.
SSjin Vegeta: 0.7.
SSjin Goten: 0.6.
SSjin Future Trunks: 0.6.
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I have them losing the fight even if Gohan was even with a Cell Jr. or MSSjin Goku. If they were together, I'd be having them taking this with difficulty, but alone they'd get beaten so hard. They'll hardly keep up.

You know pal, girl, I'd like to mention here one point, though I honestly agree with most of ya points.

Now, how could Vegeta & Trunks fought the Cell Jr's as SSJ when even Imperfect Cell Pre-Max Human Human Absorbed was leagues higher than Untrained SSJ's, meaning to say, SSJ's.

According to plot, ASSJ Vegeta fought Semi-Perfect Cell, trashed him considerably & later was whopped by Perfect Cell, despite putting forth his best efforts, Final Flash etc.

Later, Trunks fought as an USSJ, lost. Thanks to Cell's advice as well as Goku & Gohan's forms as FPSSJ/MSSJ, he opted to optimize his ASSJ state, since USSJ was literally unpractical to be used in battlefield given its disadvantages.

Even durin the Cell Games, how could Vegeta & Trunks completly abandon their hard-earned upgrades, & simply chose to fight Cell Jr's as SSJ's. They would've been slaughtered by even Semi Perfect Cell, let alone Cell Jr's.

I dont prefer digits in terms of power levels, specifically during makin comparisons & rely more on feats as they are more reliable in terms consistencies. No offence, but its just me. Still, I agree with ya. Goten & Trunks would hardly keep up.

supersaqer

Apr 28 2012, 08:36 AM

ASSjin Vegeta would skyrockets to above MSSjin Kid Gohan's level. But his speed and stamina would be lower than his SSjin self.

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Vegeta (At Junior): 14
Cell Junior (Maximum): 16
Goku (At Junior): 17

Goku (At Cell): 21
Cell (At Goku): 25
Vegeta (At Junior, "A1SSJ"): 28

Gohan (At Cell): 31
Cell (Maximum): 38
Goku (At Cell, "SSJ2"): 41
Gohan (At Cell, SSJ2): 62

Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri

Apr 28 2012, 05:51 AM

It took a SSJ2 to slaughter the Cell Jr's.

While its true that rage was the key for SSJ, Goten as well as Trunks seem to be extremely comfortable/relaxed as SSJ's. Thus, its possible that the kids acheived MSSJ or the way I call it FPSSJ, the core perfection of SSJ.

Now, it was shown that SSJ Goten fought SSJ Teen Gohan in their training prior to the Tenkaichi Budoukai. It seeemd even, really. Also, lets not forget that this version of Gohan has slacked in his training, in which his power drop is significant.Thus, SSJ Goten ~ SSJ Teen Gohan ( 7 years of slacking in training)

Now, Exhausted MSSJ/FPSSJ Goku (post Cell fight) vs Cell Jr
Outcome: Goku was helpless.

I strongly belief that a Revived MSSJ/FPSSJ Goku vs Cell Jr could at worst comes to worst, put up a decent fight.

For SSJ Goten that was on par with Teen Gohan ( 7 years of slacking in training) or even Trunks thats slighly above the former, this fight is extreme difficult, & I'll definetly not say they're gonna win this.

Lets not forget, it took a SSJ2 to slaughter Cell Jr's.

No offence, pals...